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takanye:

falconrune:

meganphntmgrl:

This actually makes total sense, and I’m actually glad they did it. If they didn’t portray Hank that way, it’d come off as glossing over that aspect of his character. Not to mention him going all Nathan Wallace over her after her death and emotionally damaging Jocasta by programming her to contain Janet’s memories but constantly reminding her she wasn’t Janet and thus not good enough in the process. Or the fact that he’d only married Janet in the first place because she was practically a physical double of his dead first wife. Or the fact that Janet maintained confused affections toward him despite everything for the rest of her life. That kind of thing worked in Watchmen, but I can’t see it working in something as comparatively lighthearted as the MCU, or a huge part of the audience not being turned off by the fact that that’s what hangs over these characters’ heads now.

That said, uh, I don’t think this post takes it into account that the people who are upset at seeing someone who’s repeatedly been characterized as abusive have good reason to see him that way. Reed Richards certainly slapped Sue around early in their written history, and then that came to be seen as contrary to the character that Marvel wanted him to be read as, so it was gradually phased out. That doesn’t mean there aren’t people who’re likely uncomfortable reading about Reed Richards now too for the same reasons, but his reboots and evolutions and new continuities through the years allowed the general perception of the character- and what can be said to be his actual characterization now- to not include that. With Henry Pym, what ended up happening was “this is the guy who beat his wife”, until that became a part of him as a fictional character.

Even if it’s based on appealing to general audiences for maximum viewership and thus maximum profits, I really can’t be assed to feel offended or upset that the movie’s going to be centered around someone with a non-triggery reputation instead of going “fuck it, we’re using the asshole.” We already have one major hero in this universe who was explicitly designed to be fundamentally unlikable but you end up rooting for him anyway (Tony Stark); it seems just plain disingenuous to include a character that has a profoundly unlikable air hanging over him in general that no amount of onscreen admirability can erase*.

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*Yeah, I know, movie!Steve Rogers is a doll and comic!Steve tends to be a jerk to the nth power, but comic!Steve’s jerkery is more just “god you are a really unpleasant jingoistic bastard” than any specific trait, so it’s easier to take that out of him. Idk, I just like that movie!Steve is less THE EMBODIMENT OF MURCA and more just a profoundly decent and brave young man who ended up in a really gaudy costume for the US Army to trot him out in.

(Jingo!Steve is actually Ultimatesverse!Steve.  Regular Steve is pretty cool.)

I didn’t elaborate on it in the post, but I do agree with you about Hank’s rep being triggery.  I didn’t say specficially, but that was why I said I would sympathize “to a point.”At the end of the day, Hank hit Janet.  Mental breakdown or crappy story or whatever excuse someone wants to trot out, he hit her.  He’s apologized and gone through ten million stories about him feeling sorry about it since, then but he hit her.

I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t give a damn about Hank or Hank fans’ feelings because of that.  I don’t love Hank but I like him, but to be honest it unnerves me just how often people want to handwave him hitting her instead of acknowledging and accepting that he hit her, and that a lot of people are going to be justifiably upset and triggered by it.  Domestic abuse is a serious problem, and Hank was a domestic abuser.  It’s not irrational for people to not want to see him star in a movie because of it.  I think Marvel made the right move.

(ultimates!Steve makes me die a little on the inside. Almost everything ultimates does that though tbf.)

Yeahhh as someone who was first introduced to Hank through the cartoons I was really shocked when I went back and learned his comic history, so it probably is for the best. :(

I… dunno how I feel about this. I’m like SUPER FUCKING SAD cuz I was really excited to see Hank on the big screen. But in a rational sense I can see why I GUESS he wouldn’t be the best choice, especially considering the example of Tony from the earlier post.  I just wanna bring up that Clint also beat his wife, and then didn’t give a shit.  Whereas Hank was fucking miserable forever about it and realized his horrible mistake and tried to repent for it many times over.  And yet he got the short end of the stick. Because everyone fucking loves Hawkeye.

Whatever, I don’t want to get into this.  PYM FOREVER. :| my bb